Author: John Elite

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Pulling, my students success rate.

update, in 2019, the lay rate is much higher and the bootcamp rate is much higher. This article was written in 2016.

When I joined another company, I got more clients. My students pull or lay for bootcamps is 97%. Only a few students didn’t get results. Of course during the first few years it wasn’t as high, I didn’t start the counter then. I was still learning and field testing every system.

Out of all the students about 80% already pulled and 72% got laid. Its like most of them. I used to get 10 testimonials a week in the past when I had more students. But its been pretty crazy. For most daygame coaches getting even one student laid or two is a miracle during their training period.

 

I’m only talking about the summer. But 75% of my students have pulled. A pull is bringing a girl back to your bedroom. A f-close means putting it in. Regardless, the percentage keeps going up. Today I talked to my first student. He finally got his first daygame f-close. He f-closed nearly 10 girls from night game. He applied his skills to daygame and it worked. He even got a girlfriend out of it before. Sorry I am writing about you, but I am proud. My other students are getting a pull on the first day of training from a date. While others are having their first date in two or one classes. This is probably the highest success rate in Vancouver for dating coaches for daygame students. I don’t just post pictures of testimonials from mediocre achievements like getting a phone number (flaky most likely) a date or a pull. I don’t have low goals for my students. I have high expectations.

What makes my students so successful? None of my students except earlier ones runs natural and direct game. You would find those who runs natural and direct game has natural advantages. They often are good looking, strong positive sterotypes. What happens was they take short cuts. Their students can’t relate. Since i’m very short and skinny. But able to get it done in game. All my findings and results helps people with higher LMS than me. I am the most relatable daygamer ever. The pareto principle suggest 20% of your focus gives you 80% of the results. Luckly my focus using my smaller frame has given me the pareto principle to my students. Whatever works for me, will work twice as good for them. While other taller coaches, what works though their positive sterotype body. It won’t work for others. My style sounds natural sounding. But is very tactical. Authetic communication flows out of it. Every girl is different, you adapt to her. But there is a natural sounding structure to it.

LMS or looks, money status is a huge part of game. I’m not going to lie to you unlike most coaches who said looks don’t matter. Looks in terms of protector status and preselection does matter. It gets you compliance. Money gives you a pull location and survival value. It matters to have a good pull location. Also, you need money for relationships. If you want to keep the girl around. Money can get you nicer clothing which show more status. But honestly, there is a social status hierachy. White students do have it easier when taller, preselected and has protector status. Yes taller students does have an advantage over shorter students. Muscles do matter a lot in daygame in Vancouver. The reason was for women, they need two jobs to live in Vancouver. It is the highest cost of living city in North America. So they don’t need a guy for their survival value anymore. Women can take care of themselves. This isn’t the 60’s. So they often look for really tall strong guys who has replication value. Look around you, you can see this in downtown.

The other 25% that didn’t pull were just hardcase newbies. Who were shorter, stubborn, unchanging. Even some of them pulled. Some students are totally uncoachable. I used to teach natural and direct. Which added to that percentage. I dropped that style of teaching when my students were getting rejected over it. Direct game is about value. If you are a positive sterotype, you will come across as high value. If you are a lower value short skinny Asian guy. You would be like a beggar asking for change. She doesn’t percieve the compliment as high value. But the madness is other PUAs running this over and over again. Just to drop out of game.

Train with me, the most relatable coach who will get you results. I have trained hardcase students and I know how to teach them. Most coaches just knows how to take thier money. I have a leave no man behind mentality. I might be Asian, but most of my students are of every other ethnicity or mixed. I rarely train Asians tbh. Just a few. I’m not sure why but I don’t question it. I feel other ethnicity of students relates to me better. Regardless, even the results surprises me. I can post testimonials. I have them all on screenshots. I don’t just get a few like other dating coaches. I have a lot weekly of progress reports. Unlike other dating coaches who has very mediocre results for students. As a teacher, you are only as good as your students.

-GD

 

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Hardcase Newbies. The worst type of students.

There are really three types of students I have taught. Easy case, normal case and hardcase. Hardcase students are every dating coaches worst nightmare. Most coaches would be happy to take their money. Or tell them to go with another company. We are talking about guys who never left the house. Or has a really bad style. Or is over weight. Luckily I’m one of the very few coaches that know show to teach hardcase newbies.

“Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind.” — Bruce Lee

Basically these hardcase newbies are unchanging, stubborn. When you teach them a new skill, they do exactly the same shit you told them not to do. Yet you tell them again, they do the same thing. You are baffled and wonder what is wrong with this guy. He does the same thing. These guys drop out of game the fastest. They are often filled with RSD or some other company concepts in their head. They have so many concepts, none of it works. Not only is their head filled with garbage that works for taller, whiter, buffer positive stereotypes. They can’t even achieve the simplest of task. So most dating coaches just takes their money. They give up easily and gets washed out. They often get in their own head. Saying this morally wrong, oh I am not authentic enough or some other bullshit. I have a lot of stories I won’t share about teaching them. They would often wash out anyways and give up. Going back to their old ways of failiing. They are born to lose. Sometimes people needs to fail more to succeed. Some easy cases can learn stuff in a dozen approaches or less. Some normal cases might need 50 approaches to learn something to a 100. Hardcases, well it might take a thousand approaches or more. But they already made it harder for other guys in the field to approach. Sometimes they didn’t fail enough. Some students who are easy cases only needs a few approaches to get it down. Normal cases have things to fall back on.

Nobody is 100% hardcase or normal case, easy case. You have to think normal case is at zero. Hardcase is minus 50. Easy case is plus 50. Even I was somewhere in the middle of hardcase and normal case when I started out. It determines the mountain you have to climb.

I’m different, I learned how to actually teach these guys if they stick around. I have seen guys who have no chance in-game to getting their first dates in a short amount of time. You don’t go for large goals like phone number, date, pull ect. You aim for small milestones. Like improving your relaxation in the field. Or learn how to stop a moving set. Just the small stuff, or half steps. Even maintaining eye contact. I have seen a student able to do this and I’m very impressed. He will do whatever it takes to succeed even doing half steps.

I had a guy block me after asking him how is he doing in-game. He earned his place on my blog. Since he just blocked me on facebook over it. Once a guy begging me to help him with game. I told him he needed professional coaching. He went with the biggest Asian company in the world. He was a hardcase always got in his own head. His inner dialogue was his worst enemy. He learned from a coach for daygame. He only learned how to quickly banter. Build a connection for 20 minutes. Then did a hi five for seduction. He didn’t get a single date or number. Under my coaching, he got a date very quickly with a very pretty Korean girl. She friendzoned him, but he gone on his first date. He told me he didn’t want to train anymore, got in his head. Said he wanted to do things his way. It felt not authentic. (They all say that, just to fail miserably) It seems when I asked how he was doing, he was really failing badly. Most of these guys deserve to fail badly. The problem was they didn’t fail enough to hit rock bottom. But I was told by another weight lifting coach. Hardcase newbies really needed me. Find a way to teach them or reach out to them. I argued they were unteachable at the time. I might never take hardcase students. Over time I learned how to correctly teach them. Since I taught so many students, I have a method that works. I’m glad I did. Trust me I have some worst stories. There was one guy who was the worst hardcase student, I had to kick him out. He was unteachable and he paid a lot of money to anther coach who was tall, good looking using a style not suitable to his build. He then dropped out of game shortly afterwards. Just another casualty to game.

Come train with me. Contact me. Hardcase or not. I often tell hardcase students, the turtle can often beat the hare in a race over time if they keep moving forward.