JOHN ELITE IS A SCIENTIST AND USES THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. TODD V IS A PHILOSOPHER AND NOT A SCIENTIST
The reason I am making this post is that after attacking Todd V, I lost a lot of views on my site. But I’m doubling down on it, let us look at the facts me, the scientist vs the philosopher or engineer.
He sounds technical, but compared to John Elite. John has a system for fashion (fashion domination not going to be released) for looks, personality for the natural status of race (inner circle) , social skills its own system (updated soon for Elite 30 bonus), body language (elite 30) for social calibrations, emotions Elite 60 system game (Elite Playbook, but its not the most updated version unlike inner circle) Its like comparing high school basketball to NBA all star level.
All those pieces all work together to keep her on the line like military units working together. John’s game is way more structural and adaptive than any other elses game and has repeatable results for every race with proof of testimonials.
A LOT OF YOU PERCEIVE TODD V AS THE BEST OUT THERE BUT THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE FOR THIS. WHAT IS IN YOUR MIND CAN BE MANIPULATED, I’M HERE TO UNBRAINWASH YOU
LETS JUST FOCUS ON FACTS FOR THIS POST, LESS OPINIONS. Not hating, I mean how can I hate someone who is below me in every metric of daygame?
I’m technically the only daygame coach in the world who can attack him.
JOHN ELITE THE SCIENTIST. SCIENTIFIC METHOD
- Step 7- Communicate. Present/share your results. Replicate. (PRODUCTS, SERVICES)
- Step 1- Question. The “thing” that you want to know. The question you want to answer.
- Step 2-Research. Conduct research. …
- Step 3-Hypothesis.
- Repeat Step 4-Experiment (WITH MY LOW SMV). Test the hypothesis SPLIT TEST WITH 3 STUDENTS, THEN 10, THEN 30 THEN 100. Discard what doesn’t work
- Step 5-Observations. Data you collect during the experiment.
- Step 6-Results/Conclusion.
THE BIG DIFFERENCE WAS I FIELD TESTED EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM FOR 18 YEARS INCLUDING TODD V’S SYSTEM, RSD, LONDON DAYGAME, MYSTERY METHOD, JUSTIN WAYNE, NATUAL AND DIRECT PUA, REAL NATURALS, DAVID X, PAUL JANKA, SIMPLE PICKUP, SELF PROCLAIMED HIGH LAYCOUNTS GUY, EVERYTHING, I’VE FIELD TESTED IT
JOHN ELITE’S RESULTS ARE REPLICABLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN
All John Elites advice videos is based on his student results and field testing split testing data.
John teaches like a military general, commander and drill Sargent with drills and yells at his students. Almost taught like a martial art or a sport physically until its automatic.
TODD V THE PHILOSOPHER, ENGINEER
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.
a particular system of philosophical thought.plural noun: philosophies“Schopenhauer’s philosophy”
the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience.“the philosophy of science”
TODD V IS MORE INTO THEORIES. HE NEVER FIELD TESTED ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF RSD NONSENSE. ITS ALL THEORIES BASED ON HIS OWN WHITE SMV. HE DOESN’T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE MINORITIES, THINKS ITS ALL GAME. PURE MARKETING
Todd V’s all advice videos and manifesto are based on what needs to happen.
Or if you are mindful of this concept, you are okay.
A lot of his game is all about remembering a big checklist so its not transferable
Todd V’s teaching style is if you do this, you will be okay. Mindfulness not automatic
OUR BELIEF SYSTEM OF THE GAME AND HOW IT DIFFERS
John Elite believes that it is not a numbers game or all game itself. But it is a game of value. Once you are over that line you will get laid. Those with higher SMV or race scale will get more success easily since there is a race hierarchy.
Everything is scored out of 35 and you just need 20/35 with compensation theory
JOHN BELIEVE IN COMPENSATION THEORY, WHATEVER YOU LACK YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR OTHER CATEGORIES
JOHN ELITE BELIEVES THERE ARE A RACE HIERARCHY IN DAYGAME AND THERE IS ONE FOR ONLINE DATING WHERE ASIAN MEN GETS THE LEAST RESPONSE RATE OUT OF ALL WOMEN. EVEN THEIR OWN WOMEN PREFERS WHITE MEN.
WHITE MEN GETS THE HIGHEST RESPONSE RATE. THIS WILL NEVER CHANGE IN OUR LIFETIME
20/35 IS THE LINE OF FUCKABILITY. ONCE YOU ARE OVER THAT LINE, YOU LIKELY WILL GET LAID VERY EASILY IN DAYGAME, BUT WILL FACE AN UPHILL BATTLE IF YOU DON’T MAKE THE 20/35 SCORE. THE WIDER THE GAP FROM IT, THE MORE APPROACHES YOU HAVE TO MAKE
JOHN BELIEVES FOR THE GAME CATEGORY, IT IS ALL SOCIAL SKILLS, SOCIAL CALIBRATIONS (OUTER GAME, FACIAL EXPRESSIONS), EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE, GAME PERSUASION
Johns game is more structural than Todd V, but gives a natural delivery and is more adaptive, down to the seconds keeping her on the line.
John Elites weakness is he doesn’t care or empathize with women, but steamrolls over them not giving validation with a dominant personality. John Elite doesn’t believe his race and height give him enough value to give validation since it is seem as low value.
John doesn’t believe in direct game which is leveling. A concept Todd V invented.
John believes in same day lays are the best method for guys without value since she can flake on you
Second, best method is to use your Instagram as a funnel to get her out vs number closes.
John Believes there are 6 frames. 1. fuckboi 2. boyfriend/provider 3. friendzoned/social circle 4. Husband material 5. Daddy Daughter frame 6. High Status/celebrity status
John uses fashion to frame himself as the husband material and changes his fashion based on the time of day and also what frame he wants to fight from. It depends on the country too.
TODD VALENTINE BELIEVES IT IS ALL GAME AND THE RACE, OVERALL VALUE IS INITIAL. HE BASICALLY DISMISSES IT AS JUST THE INTRO, BUT IGNORE THE OVERALL VALUE OR THE 20/35 SYSTEM WHICH IS SCIENTIFIC
Todd V’s game was built on a checklist of things to remember. If you do this or that, then you are okay type of game.
If you remember this and you kind of do that, you will be okay.
If you skydive, do this and that maneuver you will be okay and not splat on the ground mentality. Vs John trains his student like a martial art or military. Todd has a more cerebral type of game like RSD.
He has only briefly mentioned race in this free product winner game that maybe being Asian or Indian is harder. As a footnote. In all his Youtube Videos he doesn’t mention race due to marketing but he knows better. He was former RSD, they are marketers.
Todd V doesn’t have social skills, but more social calibrations. He doesn’t have facial expressions in his game and a monotone. He is most likely Aspergers.
He gives validation in his game and believes it is no frame or intent is killing your game. He even gives compliments non stop and goes direct
He does mention indirect game, but he mostly evidently goes direct.
He claims he same day lays, like most white dating coaches, but his infields often just end up in a cab. Or him talking non-stop and no clips of him walking into this house or room. No pulls no lays are evident.
Most of his closes are from his text game texting for weeks to get her out, evident in his product. He believes you just have to be compelling ignoring the Asian men and other minorities might get flakes
Todd Valentine doesn’t believe in social circle frame 4 or high status, celebrity status i the fastest way.
there are 6 frames. 1. fuckboi 2. boyfriend/provider 3. friendzoned/social circle 4. Husband material 5. Daddy Daughter frame 6. High Status/celebrity status
Todd V doesn’t have any fashion sense whatsoever.
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JOHN ELITE’S GAME IS 202X MORE TRANSFERABLE THAN TODD VALENTINES GAME. THIS IS A FACT NOT AN OPINION
For daygame, getting a short skinny Asian testimonial to some are nearly impossible getting it consistently and getting even more than one. Most white dating coaches for daygame has zero. I’m not talking night game.
Only daygame matters
Daygame requires more than just game. It also has social skills, social calibrations, emotions. Not even todd has. He rarely moves his face and his tone doesn’t vary like most Aspergers. While this is an opinion, it is evident in his infields and advice videos about the tonality and facial expressions.
JOHN ELITE HAS 410 LAID/PULL TESTIMONIAL, 97% OF HIS BOOTCAMP STUDENTS WORKING FOR A DIFFERENT COMPANY, GOT LAID OR PULLED, OR EVEN AFTER THE BOOTCAMP EVEN DURING PREBOOTCAMP TRAINING.
- VIDEO TESTIMONIALS EVEN WITH STUDENTS PULL AND SEX SCENES IN IT
- JOHN HAS EVERY MAJOR RACE LAID
- SCREENSHOT TESTIMONIALS WITH STUDENT PULLS IN IT WITH THE WOMEN IN IT IN THE BEDROOM, EVEN AFTER THE LAY
SOME EXAMPLES OF EVERY RACE
LETS START WITH EXAMPLES OF ASIAN STUDENTS WHO ARE THE LOWEST CIRCUMSTANCES WHITE DATING COACHES CAN’T GET LAID IN DAYGAME
5’4 Asian loses virginity, 2 fuck buddies one week apart one same day lay, also approach to girlfriend. Burned by RSD and every system
5’5 VIETNAMESE GUY
John Elite’s best student has over 100 lays from John’s coaching. He is considered one of the most advanced PUAS. John Elite taught him to same day lay. he could only number close before from instadates. His progression was extreme, 7 lays in 3 weeks. Most of them 8/10 for women. This student was an easy case with extreme social skills already and had John’s fashion sense.
HE KEPT GETTING BETTER AND BETTER. HE IS ONLY 5’4 AND YOU HAVE NO EXCUSES
I got many Indians laid too, who are negative stereotypes. This guy used to look like a 3/10 until I fixed his fashion. He was tall, so that helps. I don’t have time to post every race, but I do have it.
WHAT ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE? WHICH IS THE ONLY ONES TODD CAN GET LAID. 2 GIRLFRIENDS, 4 FUCK BUDDIES. ONE IS 9/10. HE EVEN BANGED A BLONE ON MY BOOTCAMP ON THE FIRST APPROACH IN EAR COACHING.
If I posted every testimonial, no one can read the entire page. I even got middle eastern students laid and every type like Latinos.
TODD V, HAS ZERO LAID TESTIMONIALS ON HIS SITE, BUT I KNOW HE HAS 2, BUT NOT MANY
I do know of 2 people who got some results, a tall 6’7 white and tall black to give him the credit he deserves but no one else.
Based on the student results, you can conclude isn’t scientific. But more of a mental masturbation type of if you do this and you will be okay type of game. The student’s results or data doesn’t align with his so-called advanced game or philosophy
IT IS JUST AS BAD AS KARISMA KING’S NON EXISTENT TESTIMONIALS. KARISMA KING WHO WORSHIPS RSD AND WORKED FOR THEM, DOESN’T HAVE ANY LAID TESTIMONIALS. HE POSTED ONE CLIP. NO LAYS, JUST GIVING COMPLIMENTS TO HIS BOOTCAMP. ITS NOT ABOUT KARISMA KING, BUT TO SHOW WHITE PEOPLE HAS NO CLUE ABOUT TEACHING DAYGAME. HIS TESTIMONIAL DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A FACE ON IT. NON EXISTENT…
When you phase the instructor or the bootcamp, the student didn’t pull or get laid. That is not a testimonial. But a bootcamp revew or instructor review. Learning about my sticking points and I learned a lot about myself, he pushed me doesn’t mean anything.
THIS IS ON HIS TESTIMONIAL PAGE
“It really became clear over the course of the program that Todd truly cares about his students’ results, which I think brought the quality of the teaching to another level. One thing other than the instructional aspect of the program that yielded massive benefits for me was simply seeing Todd and his coaches in set. Seeing what can be achieved if you’re willing to put in the effort first-hand was extremely motivating and one of my biggest calls to action post-program.”
“Todd is the real deal. I have had a lot of coaches in the past who may have been talented with women, but didn’t know how to break down the information in an applicable way to their students. Todd can do both. I never really understood game in it’s totality and after this week I was able to fill in major gaps to get consistent results.” Define results? Number closes?
“A couple of months later as I’m writing this, I’m a completely different person. I used to chase girls. Now I have more hot girls messaging me, asking me to see them, than I have time for. I’m more assertive. I’m cool and calm around people. And most of all, I feel like I’m in control of my life.”
“Todd has the ability to make you reassess your view of the world so that you take action to become your best self. Despite his huge experience in Game, he is a very down-to-earth and approachable person who works hard to help you improve each of your sticking points and reach an advanced level.”
John Elite is 5’7 and 6/10 in looks, without fashion and hair 5/10.
- 18 YEARS IN THE GAME, EVERY STYLE, DISCARDING WHAT DOESN’T WORK, KEEPING THAT 1% THAT DOES FOR MY LOWER SMV
- SAME DAY LAY FROM OPEN TO CLOSE
- PULL, FROM APPROACH TO PULL ON THE BED
- PULL THROUGH THE DOOR
- APPROACH TO INSTADATE
- APPROACH TO NUMBER CLOSE TO DAY 2
John Elite’s girlfriend was better looking than Todd’s baby mama by a few points. She wasn’t the hottest, but still above his. John’s ex was 17 at the time and 5’6, did modelling and small roles in acting. She doesn’t want his pics or videos up here or bedroom stuff. John didn’t record it of course, since she was still in highschool. But still, that’s like way younger and a white girl. That’s more impressive.
Justin Wayne’s girlfriends, cough seeking arrangements. Always a money component. Survival and replication value
Todd V is about 6/10 in looks and 5’8 or 5’7 like John. But being white, his SMV is 10/10 for natural status. Thus having less game.
He doesn’t have enough looks to do a same day lay. So it always cuts off in the middle of an instadate.
- 19 YEARS IN THE GAME, ONE STYLE
SAME DAY LAY FROM OPEN TO CLOSE PULL, FROM APPROACH TO PULL ON THE BED PULL THROUGH THE DOOR
- APPROACH TO INSTADATE
- APPROACH TO NUMBER CLOSE TO DAY 2
That’s right. In all his infields, they say same day lay, but the women never even made it through the door.
Through a door of a cab doesn’t count.
Also, if she is walking somewhat towards the direction of home they stop the clip.
It isn’t because they don’t want to put it on youtube, It just isn’t there.
It is the same with most white dating coaches. Proof is something that is beyond a shadow of a doubt in court. It is proven.
Evidence is just exibit A exibit B exibit C
Even if you go back to his old videos or products, this doesn’t exist. You imagined it because you assumed if he was white, you submitted to authority. You were so brainwashed, you even imagined it, but when you look at the clips. He taken it down now due to Street Attraction. But none of it is there.
White dating coaches uses stats, evidence, but they can’t even show it all once. It always ends in a cab.
HIS GIRLFRIEND IS AROUND A 4/10 AT BEST, OLDER WOMEN WHO WAS HIS BABY’S MAMA. THIS IS THE TRUE REALITY OF GAME AND JULIEN BLANC GOT A 6/10 evidently. Even Tyler’s baby mama is unattractive too.
YOU ALL IMAGINED TODD V IS THE BEST, BUT HE DOESN’T HAVE ANY PROOF OR STUDENT RESULTS OUT OF 2 STUDENTS GETTING LAID IN HIS BOOTCAMP.
You can’t teach students if you keep this in mind, you will be okay. Try that in a MMA match. If you fall on the ground, you remember to slap the mat and you do this. You will be okay.
No you won’t be, you will get slammed on the ground and it will hurt. After the other dude ground and pounds your face in.
It is the same in daygame.
Based on the student results, he sounds technical, but as I said, based on all the facts, all the stats, he isn’t scientific. It is not a repeatable process.
In the next post, I will talk about how he was able to get you to fall for it. Even rewriting your own memory of him getting same day lays when he never proved it. The camera stops and he just self proclaims.
In fact if you look at all white dating coaches, they have no proof either.
That 10/10 for status or natural status, race. Their game isn’t high enough to transfer or get a minority over 20/35.
This post is devoid of my own opinions. If you look objectively at the evidence. He is more of a number close, text game guy.
If his advice is so advanced, why can’t he get his students laid? One guy that is tall that got results in his bootcamp also was in my bootcamp too accidentally.
His Asian friend who attended fingered a 6’2 blonde, one same day lay Asian and banged 2 more times an average Asian and one time I was in the room which was a pull. I instructed him how to close better.
The tall white guy attended one day my bootcamp. He is in the QFT videos, in the background but didn’t say anything. The other Asian guy did and he let me use his camera to film it. That was the hostel my students stays at.
That’s him, obviously, it would be easier. He is a head taller. But his friend got so many results on my bootcamp. 3 lays, 2 pulls 1 finger.
Factually his Asian friend said dude, don’t train white people, they don’t deserve it. But that’s for me to decide. Bruce Lee never discounted white people if they asked nicely.
We must stop giving white dating coaches the authority and demand they are subjected to the same amount of proof of their results and their student results. If you want to be objective and scientific.
Maybe I wanted you to be aware.
In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. This discomfort is triggered by a situation in which a person’s belief clashes with new evidence perceived by the person. When confronted with facts that contradict beliefs, ideals, and values, people will try to find a way to resolve the contradiction to reduce their discomfort.
That’s why a lot of people stopped reading my blog due to the cognitive dissonance. Me pointing this out about Todd will cause a lot of internal mental pain. With two contradictory ideas.
This is a more logical post, I am going to reduce the amount of opinions as much as possible.
ALSO YOU CAN NO LONGER CONCLUDE MENTALLY, IF TODD ISN’T THAT GOOD LOOKING THEN HIS GAME MUST BE GOOD. BUT IF HE DOESN’T HAVE EVIDENCE OF EVEN A MINIMUM IN DAYGAME, A PULL, WE SHOULD THROW AWAY SUCH A HYPOTHESIS.