The Evolution of my Daygame Training. How my John Elite system was forged

I’ll post this here just incase.

Same-day F-close (daygame) from a true beginner. First f-close in 30 days.

US student joined in Feb 2024 with zero daygame results.

In a month he went from 0 to two pulls and one same-day F-close that became friends-with-benefits.

He’d tried a direct bootcamp elsewhere with a white coach and got zero daygame f-closes.

Here he ran the drills (3 reps per drill until it clicked), showed up, adapted fast, and kept the ego out of the equation.

This is f-close 1 of 20 so far.

So, here’s a story about a guy, right? He’s a bald Indian immigrant, 5’4″ tall, and he’s been in the U.S. for quite a while now.

He got married on November 9, 2024.

Now, let me tell you, this isn’t just any love story.

Before he found his groove, he struggled with those daygame bootcamps…

yeah, you know, those ones that promise the world but don’t really deliver? Bhenchodcamps?

Well, after a few of those didn’t work out for him, he turned to my John Elite’s daygame training programs.

He dove into everything: Elite 30, Elite Playbook, Elite Access, and even the Tech Game for Minorities.

Plus, he snagged a lifetime membership in the Inner Circle, all through me John Elite.

He didn’t just hang around.

He got into a rhythm, stacking up those second and third dates for this particular woman.

For two whole years, he kept at it, stayed consistent with his daygame approach, and eventually, he popped the question and got married.

She isn’t fully black but mixed with a ton of different ethnicities.

Honestly, this is real-life proof for those short Indian guys out there who might think they don’t have much to offer when it comes to daygame and dating.

It’s all about finding the right tools, like my John Elite’s system, and putting in the effort.

You got this!

Did you know his wife is actually taller than he is? Maybe not in the pic but shes much taller actually.

So, there’s this 5’8″ Italian student who gave another daygame company a shot… let’s call it UMP, UFO, UAP…

He had some success, sure, but the women he was meeting?

They were mostly around a 3 or 4 out of 10 in looks.

I mean, come on, that’s way below what he’s capable of!

Then, he switched gears and jumped into my John Elite training.

We focused on drills, tonality, and body language.

And guess what?

He started seeing results pretty fast.

He wanted to build on top of their foundation and I told him it was shit.
Today bhenchode Indians falls for it and nobody got laid, according to other Indians I know seeing it first hand.

That Chinese student who got 15 f – closes, 5 models, 5 white girls 2 actresses

He was friends with this Italian guy and refered me.

I said UMP shit didn’t work for that chinese guy, 100% demolished.

He finally listened when I told him to rebuild from scratch with drills..

He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.

At first, closing the deal was a bit tricky for him since he pulled, not f – close, but then it happened…

his first f – close was with a stunning blonde fitness model!

Talk about a game changer, without game.

And honestly, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Y

ou’ll see him racking up multiple lays after this, proving that when you mix quality with consistency,

it all comes from a solid system, like the one he got through my John Elite training.

He got his hands on the Elite Bundle 2, which has now been rebranded as the Elite Bundle Resurrections.

There’s even a course in there he didn’t tap into yet called Elite Tonality Mastery.

But don’t worry, he was still taught all the essentials on Elite Access.

If you are a bad student, you won’t even do any of the drills and run away like cluster C personality, which he didn’t have.

Hes only 5’8 hes short.

So, let me share a little story about a 21-year-old Latino student from Gen Z who made some waves in May 2025.

You wouldn’t believe it , he managed to score a same-day lay. Yeah, you heard that right.

And that’s not all, he’s got a few more wins under his belt, too.

Here’s the breakdown:

Same Day f – close on May 16, 2025

Handj@b Pull on May 26, 2025

Extra B – j@b in September 2025

Now, you might be wondering, what’s the secret sauce?

Well, it’s all thanks to John Elite’s Elite Bundle Resurrections and his Tonality Mastery.

Seriously, these John Elite daygame methods are still hitting hard even in 2025.

And get this… he’s still with the same girl today.

Meanwhile, some other guys, especially those half-Latino haters, dropped the ball.

They didn’t show up, skipped the practice, and just didn’t follow through.

What a shame!

So, if you’re part of Gen Z, or maybe you’re Asian, Indian, or an engineer student, and you’re looking for proof that actually works, I can vouch for the John Elite system.

It really does deliver daygame results.

So, there’s this Indian student living in London. He’s been diagnosed with Asperger’s, autism, and ADHD… quite a journey, right?

But here’s the amazing part: he decided to invest in John Elite’s coaching and went all in on the Elite Tonality Mastery through the Elite Bundle.

And guess what?

He’s not just getting out there to meet people…

he’s actually about to propose to his white girlfriend!

Think about that for a second.

He went from just approaching girls through daygame to being in a relationship, and now he’s on the verge of a proposal…

all thanks to the framework I offer through my John Elite system.

This isn’t some lucky fluke; it’s real proof of what’s possible.

Now, let’s be real for a moment.

A lot of dating coaches out there? They struggle to show even one student with an f-close or real relationship in 2025.

Their students often throw in the towel, blaming everything from bad luck to the market, while chasing after the latest trends.

But John Elite students?

They come with real proof, transformative experiences that change their lives.

And to those who doubt or criticize…

sure, you can shout and try to cancel me like Judas did to Jesus for a handful of silver.

But you can’t just brush aside the miracles that happen.

What’s real can’t be erased.

Success leaves breadcrumbs, and trust me, miracles have a way of making themselves known.

So, keep your eyes peeled.

This is what happens when you truly commit to the John Elite daygame training, practice the protocols, and trust the process.

It’s powerful stuff.

THOSE WHO DOESN’T LEARN FROM THE PAST ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT. LUCKILY I DID. WHERE DID SOME OF MY DAYGAME SPLIT TEST COME FROM?

(WILL POST MORE)

Back in 2012, I trained a Korean student who was 5’9. That’s national average height.

He challenged me in Metrotown: “If you can get her number, I’ll train with you.”

I got the number.

He signed up.

He went on to get five f-closes from night game.

One f-close from daygame.

Then he got a girlfriend.

People called him “Mr. finger fvcker…” because he always escalated with his hands… cars, corners, even nightclubs.

That was his personal style.

I didn’t teach it like that. But he executed relentlessly. (wash your hands ffs)

Night game used to be easier for Asians.

I didn’t have my 20/35 system yet…

Looks/height/face /10, money out of 5, status/race /10, social skills, social calibrations, emotional control, game 2.5 points each…. 20/35 = automatic f-close.

That was before Elite 30.

After Elite 30, daygame f-closes became repeatable for Asians too.

Height matters, but it’s not a ceiling.

My students now wear elevator shoes, but not just any shoes, a specific one.

Execution and social calibration matter more.

I started with bootcamps back then.

I don’t run bootcamps or bhenchode-camps now.

Why? Because if a coach’s digital system actually works, you don’t need to worship them on a weekend and burn your money.

Most coaches push bootcamps because their courses don’t work for daygame.

But with my John Elite daygame system, you get results that actually stick…

no bootcamp worship required.

I’m posting a second old daygame bootcamp 6’4 Indian screenshot from 2013 from Vancouver…

Back then I was teaching direct game.

Natural and direct.

Structured and direct.

Simple Pickup style and direct.

I was split testing what worked… and what didn’t…

The short low SMV asians didn’t get f-closes until 2017 when I created Elite 30: From Hardcase To Hero. Game wasn’t enough…

I knew Asians had the lowest SMV back then… for natural status.

in the old era before the pandemic, inflation, and tariffs.

I started teaching large groups in immersion programs.

Then I taught bootcamps 1 on 1.

This student was 6’4″ and Indian.

He got an f-close fast that week.

The girl wasn’t impressive because she was Asian, but the f-close happened.

In Vancouver I jokingly call it Asian daygame.

Since almost everyone there has yellow fever since they can’t get white girls.

That was the moment I realized height really does matter in my John Elite daygame system…

even before I fully mapped the status hierarchy.

After that, he quit daygame and went all‑in on night game.

Because night game is easier.

Night game is about 15 out of 35 overall.

Loud club. Alcohol. Lower requirements.

You don’t need social skills or emotional control the same way because you can barely hear each other.

Years later, I formalized the hierarchy I was already seeing:

White: 10/10 status

Tall Black men: 8/10 (short Black ~3/10 by SMV perception)

Middle Eastern: 7/10 (dominating tribe, alpha perception)

Latinos: used to be 7/10 (dropped closer to 5/10 in recent years due to the Trump Ice raids twice)

Pakistanis: -5/10

Whitewashed Indians: -4/10 (present as “Western,” talk and dress that way)

“Bhenchode” Indians: -2/10 (negative stereotypes, ADHD, skinny-fat, etc. Now they colonized Canada and they aren’t allowed in anymore further hurting their social standing)

Asians: -1/10 unless fully “Western-washed”

Night game needs fewer total points.

Daygame is stricter.

My full scoring (daygame) is 35 points:

Looks: 10

Money: 5

Status: 10

Social skills: 2.5

Social calibrations: 2.5

Emotional control: 2.5

Game: 2.5

20/35 gets you an f-close.

I didn’t have that formula finalized in 2013.

But I was already teaching drills to the students.

I took Krav Maga before that for 5 years, IDF martial arts for their army.

So I myself was trained with drills, so why not take that military technology and teach the students the same way right?

Its really all I know.

You’ll see in the screenshot: he’s practicing against the wall, talking non‑stop in public.

We did that to burn out fear of people walking by.

Embarrassment training.

Discipline squats, if they didn’t listen.

Reps. Reps. Reps.

Drills build skills.

A lot of what you see me do today in my John Elite daygame system was already established back then…

because it works.

Here’s the truth from then to now:

Direct game used to work more often.

It worked a bit during the pandemic.

It started failing after inflation and the tariff era.

This year, only one person can make pure direct work. Most can’t.

You need 6’2 height and super good looks above 8/10.

That’s why I don’t push direct as a silver bullet.

Social Calibration and white-washed tonality beat “just be direct.”

And here’s another truth people miss:

It’s not “a few students getting all the f-closes.”

It’s many students getting a few f-closes.

And a few superstars racking up a lot.

In 2013 I attracted pure pickup artists…

All the way until 2016…

After I released Elite 30 from Hardcase to Hero, I started coaching more “hard cases,” newer guys, and people who never done daygame before. But were fans.

Different era. Different market. Different constraints.

Same solution: drill the fundamentals until they stick.

If you want to win in 2025’s conditions, you need the thing that fixes the silent killer first: Tonality.

That’s why Elite Bundle Resurrections is updated with Elite Tonality Mastery.

Without it, your tonality turns women off before your “game” even lands.

That’s why forum guys aren’t getting results this year out of 777,000 people in the seduction forum for their mindless group think cluster B narcissistic sociopath Mystery Method, RSD cult…

Its a giant grave yard of cluster b, sociopath, narcissist, borderline personality, histronic personality disorders all clustered together.

Wrong frequency.

No social calibration.

No emotional control.

Fix tonality, then your social skills and calibrations finally work.

Social skills flow drill funnels her to your social calibrations body language and white-washed tonality.

Sets last longer.

Instant dates happen.

F-closes follow.

Early on 2014, I had a Korean bootcamp student who was my wingman.

He could get dates, he’d even been with a white girl in university…

but his approach anxiety was brutal.

If you look at the old screenshots, you’ll see him out at downtown Vancouver and Metrotown.

His style was weird, he could barely stop women, so he’d walk with them.

Real “chode game,” even acted beta on purpose just to keep the conversation going.

He’d risk looking needy, but he kept things moving until he built enough trust.

Eventually, he’d get a date and close, especially since he was a big guy… muscle mass, shorts, growth hormones, the works.

Social skills? He had them.

Koreans usually do…

culture’s all about hierarchy, respect, competition, looks, and plenty of bullying.

But that approach anxiety was the wall.

He only paid for one day of bootcamp.

He didn’t need more…

he could already daygame, just needed to get past the fear.

That’s when I started building a progressive system for approach anxiety.

Warm-up steps, level by level.

I don’t use that exact method anymore… the system’s evolved,

especially with Elite Daygame First Steps and all the bonus videos.

But back then, it was about getting past the fear in stages.

What happened?

He got two girlfriends out of it, at different times.

Not bad for a single day of training.

We’d went to H Mart during daygame sessions.

I never cared for Asian women, but he did, and he kept at it.

H – Mart is a Korean grocery store in Vancouver.

Thats where he got one of his girlfriends.

I would wait while he approached there and we went so many times that H – Mart was sick of us.

The key is, once he drilled the steps and got over the fear, things just opened up for him.

That’s how it works… if you do the real work, not just chase tactics.

Back then, I was split testing every system, inventing new stuff, seeing what actually worked.

It became a progressive desensitization.

Other daygame coaches did similar stuff too…

But this is what I figured out on my own, I had this half approach or walk up to hear 70% of the way to lower your fear.

Thats new.

Eventually when you get over that, you can walk past her.

The system’s evolved, but the lesson is the same.

You don’t need years of training…

you need the right steps, the right drills, and the guts to get through your own fear.

That’s the story.

That’s why results follow when you stop making excuses and just go through the process.

Now, let me give you a way to think about results.

It’s a bridge.

This bridge is 20 out of 35.

He had muscles for looks.

He wasn’t short, but not super tall either…

at least 5’10 and a half.

If you have 20 big stones, you build a bridge.

You can drive a car over it…

or get laid…

For him, most of the stones were already there,

but he was missing the approach anxiety piece.

I gave him that in one day.

That’s what got him laid.

He just needed to apply his skill set.

Everyone’s missing different stones.

Most of you aren’t getting laid because you’re using Mystery Method and RSD stones…

looks, money, status, plus “game.”

But game alone isn’t enough anymore.

There’s no social skills, no social calibrations, no emotional control.

Game by itself is just not enough.

These global game platform scammers with false authority, debating each other, don’t get results anymore.

If you want to join the real system and add the stones you’re missing…

the ones I got from naturals, the ones that actually work…

then join my coaching.

I have Elite Bundle Resurrections.

And if money’s tight, there’s a part two bundle: Elite 30, Elite Access, two Skypes, and bonus courses.

You can get started even if you can’t afford the full bundle right now.
No excuses.

There’s something for everybody.

Start building the right stones for your bridge…

so you can finally cross over and get results.

White student 3 f-closes in 3 days. Then he quit. Here’s what it really proved.

A quick story that crushes a few common objections, height, race, and “female nature.”

Back in 2013, I trained a white student one-on-one in Metrotown for a bootcamp or bhenchodecamp.

He was six feet tall.

Bisexual. Black nail polish.

He asked if I’d teach someone like him.

He told me much later.

I said I don’t discriminate. If you paid me I would teach you.

He told me something I didn’t know then: the same psychology works on men and women. Nearly identical.

We ran a direct, simple-pickup style because it worked back then.

Obviously for the last few years it doesn’t work this year or last year.

But I also drilled down body language over and over again.

I didn’t realize but once again, non verbal communications made it work.

Most daygame coaches rarely have 3 daygame f-close testimonials for their entire career for white dating coaches.

They don’t even get f-closed during the coaching period.

Maybe way after it with unattractive women below their looks scale.

Redditors are losers and out of 777,000 in the seduction forum, nobody got f-closed from direct game.

This is a hasbeen style.

He got three f-closes in a row…

Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Then he quit.

Existential crisis.

Before that weekend, he struggled to get even one.

After that weekend, he had seven more women lined up on the phone ready to be pulled,

plus could have been 10 f-closes that week.

He didn’t want it.

He walked away.

Since he knows about female nature so much, it really messed with his mind…

He quit daygame there and then, became celibate.

Why?

He realized something most guys pretend isn’t true:

Height matters.

Race matters.

He wasn’t a model looking guy…

But average, maybe slightly above average…

But he’s old, with wrinkles and everything.

But being six feet and white gave him leverage in that era.

It messed with his head.

Call it vulnerable narcissism or just shock,

but the success forced him to question everything.

He bailed.

That was 2013.

It was easier then.

2023, 2024, 2025? Much harder.

Direct stopped working for most guys.

The economy, inflation, tariffs…

everything changed the game.

But the lesson from that story is still useful today:

Height: If you’re shorter, compensate. Elevator shoes, but not obvious “white sneaker” gimmicks like a poor Gen Z where 63% of them are single.

My students have a specific shoes and style which I won’t say.

Race/status: Dress whitewashed husband-material. Hair, grooming, fit, frames. Present as high-trust, future-oriented.

Female nature: Attraction math doesn’t care about your feelings.

Social Calibrated value presentation + tonality + execution wins.

If you want to compete with white, six-foot-tall guys in today’s environment, you must offset the gap on purpose.

In reality tall white guys don’t get f-closed anymore because of too much cortisol… due to the winner and loser effect

The last two years their privileges have been revoked.

You can’t hope-vibe your way through it.

With Mystery Method tactics and RSD mass approaching.

Or try to use romantic flirts with alcohol maxing in the bedroom with heavy bedroom escalation,

that’s not exactly legal, or what I would consider results.

You need a system that’s been split-tested across eras, cities, and student types…

not worship, not weekend hype.

I tested everything back then: natural-and-direct, structured-and-direct, simple-pickup direct.

It worked in 2013 for some taller students.

It does not work this year.

What worked for me and other students is the arrow science.

Maneuver (instadates, venue changes, pulling), sexualize to the max (to the point of no return), objections looping (the sexual objections ethnically)

Your tonality is either getting you in the door or shutting the door in your face before your “game” even starts.

With too much cortisol you would sound depressed and lethargic.

If you have cluster B personality, are borderline and triggered with vulnerable narcissism… you won’t feel anything and hear your mistakes.

That’s why you need a good coach.

That’s why I updated my John Elite daygame system—Elite Bundle Resurrections now comes with Elite Tonality Mastery.

Fix the frequency first.

Then the rest of your skills actually land.

Longer sets.

More dates.

Pulls that don’t require mass approaches.

I’ll drop a screenshot in the community so you can see the era and the style from that time.

If you want to stop guessing and start compensating correctly for height, status, and the current market, join Elite Bundle Resurrections.

When looks aren’t enough: how cortisol kills your daygame results (and what fixed his)

This student was over six feet tall. Extremely good looking. Think Justin Bieber face. From Vancouver.

Took my immersion since I started teaching in a big group…

and a 1-on-1 bootcamp.

At first, he came mainly for fashion paying me for one day of training.

I updated his practice and body language too…

We drilled leaning against the wall in Metrotown…

He’s always hunching and too nervous.

the exact picture you’ll see.

Here’s the part most guys don’t want to hear:

He had massive approach anxiety.

Cortisol through the roof.

Despite being tall, white, and very good looking, it wasn’t enough.

He spoke monotone…

almost Asperger’s-like delivery.

Zero spark in the voice.

Cortisol + monotone = doors shut fast.

Looks alone, dressed like a broke college student didn’t help…

After we fixed the fashion to true husband-material and reset his body language, things changed.

I started to incorporate more blazers for my students in the future.

Social calibrations helped immediately.

He found a girlfriend. Asian.

He had yellow fever, sure… like most of Vancouver PUA’s…

They would say that they like Asian women, not white women (Yeah right…)

but the point is the system worked once we removed the roadblocks.

This was 2014.

It’s when I first realized how devastating cortisol is for results.

It doesn’t matter if you’re tall, white, and handsome.

Cortisol destroys everything.

You can work out more and look more “chad”…

doesn’t matter if your stress spikes and your voice stays flat.

Women feel it instantly.

It shows you have bad genes with autism or Asperger’s

He ended up with a girlfriend for a few years.

Proof that when you fix the fundamentals (fashion, body language, tonality), everything else clicks.

Takeaway for you right now:

Looks help. Height helps. But cortisol can cancel it all.

Monotone kills attraction.

Tonality must be trained, not assumed.

Husband-material fashion + social calibrations = trust and dates, f-closes.

Drills beat theory.

We practiced this in public until it stuck.

I’m not teaching bootcamps now until there is zero Covid. I nearly died from it.

However, it’s a miracle I can get so many students f-closed without bootcamps, or bhenchodecamps.

That’s why Elite Bundle Resurrections now includes Elite Tonality Mastery.

If your voice and vibe are off, she feels it before your “game” even starts.

This is why PUAs on forum groups can no longer get f-closed.

They can’t hear that in their voice with cluster B personality and alexithymia.

Fix the frequency, then your social skills and calibrations land.

Longer sets. Smoother dates. More pulls, more f-closes… Less anxiety.

I’ll post the Metrotown screenshot next so you can see the drill setup.

Also him updating his entire wardrobe.

He’s also approaching next to my other bootcamp student who was Asian.

If you want a practical system that works even when the market is tough in 2025,

This is the only daygame system that still works.

All the other global game platformer scammers didn’t post a new f-closed testimonial for years now.

Last few years, inflation, high interest rates, now tariffs.

Their stuff doesn’t work no more.

They sure talk a good game though…

But that’s all talk…

Everyone mocked his “slow” chilled voice… women never left for his bootcamp. Here’s why that matters more than “going direct.”

He’s half white, half Filipino.

We met in 2014 when I was running immersion-style programs and starting one-on-one bootcamps.

A bunch of us (PUAs) went to a nightclub.

I went there too… dressed like a K-Pop artist with blonde hair with a stupid Gen Z hairstyle before it was popular.

He started training with me the next day.

Where you’ll see him in this screenshot?

Metrotown.. outside approaching in the parking lot, inside Sephora, shoe store etc…

I coached right behind or near him so I could hear every word.

No in-ear needed.

Which is a gimmick anyways, it no longer works for the last few years for other coaches with recycled testimonials recut 10 ways…

Like an outfit rebuilt over and over.. but its the same nonsense..

There’s also a shot of him on the phone…

that’s when he called to make it official with his new girlfriend.

This was his second day of bootcamp in downtown Vancouver.

What changed (and why it worked)

This was the period I was switching from direct to indirect/structured in my John Elite daygame system.

Direct had already stopped working for a lot of guys.

You seen it work for taller guys.

He had a “funny” voice according to his friends..

chilled, very relaxed, slow pacing.

He sounds like he is a surfer who is high or something man…

Thats how he talked, yo bro… whats up… man… woah…

They mocked him daily for talking slow.

But women never left him.

No instant rejections. No walkaways.

That’s when I realized: chilled delivery = emotional control.

Emotional control keeps her nervous system calm.

She stays. She invests. She comes along.

I told him it wasn’t an insult, but a super power with women.

Proof you’ll see

He literally carried a woman’s grocery bag for her in that screenshot…

and still f-closed her later.

I was like did he fucking grab her bag and talked to her and say he would help bring it to her car?

I was like no way…

But it was that chilled voice..

He liked Asian women…

and kept them around with calm tonality and zero neediness.

He ended up with two f-buddies.

The lesson (for today’s market)

Direct as a default is dead for most guys in the last 2 years.

Calm tonality is not a joke… it’s a force multiplier.

Combine that with white washed tonality…

Emotional control is the invisible “green light” that keeps women from ejecting.

Naturals are also very calm even if the zombies has no idea what I’m talking about when I say naturals…

Indirect + structured + chilled pacing = longer sets, easy dates, less resistance.

Context and evolution

This was 2014.

I was already moving to indirect and structured because results dictated it at the time.

Over time it became natural…

I’ve been teaching since 2012…

I secretly made over 20,000 approaches, while people complained about hundreds…

I was an Asian guy who had to test every system out to see what I can absorb.. what I can discard.

The arrow science was the only way it worked..

constant split testing with students later on, system updates whenever the market shifted.

-John Elite (Best Daygame Coach In The World)

The only one who still gets students laid in the last 2 years for daygame. Then if others can’t for daygame, why worship and give them authority? As they argue in a circle over who is the biggest scammer? Literally selling bootcamps, or bhenchodecamps and nobody gets laid anymore because the inflation is tough and the tariffs are tougher. Theri game expired. Don’t like me, well i’m your only option now. Have to do it my way, or the highway of MGTOW….